Hm... I definitely have some dependent traits. But some borderline traits, too, and a few NPD.
(I have a theory that AvPD, BPD and NPD are different expressions of the same core issue. They all circle around a very particular kind of shame, which is why we can all learn a lot from each other. I’ll have to do more research before I can figure out if DPD fits the same pattern though)
I believe I have both avpd and dpd, but it's kind of confusing for me. Do you think that's possible, and if so how do you think a person with both would behave (for comparison to myself)?
I think DPD is confusing for a lot of people, so don’t worry, you’re not alone in that. But AvPD and DPD is actually a really common co-morbidity, as you can see by the data at this link: here. (Beware of Out of the FOG in general, but it’s the only site that has statistical data on these things.) Plus, PDs are most co-morbid with other ones in the same cluster.
Someone with both AvPD and DPD would probably have a pronounced relationship with a “safe person”, I imagine. Who in this case would also be what I think the majority of the DPD community refers to as their “depended”. But while most people with DPD seek validation and dependence from many people, and rely on the opinions of others for whatever they do, I think people with AvPD as well would mainly focus on the one person, and be terrified of engaging with others, even if they wanted to.
But experiences will vary, as they always do. There are a myriad of experiences for any disorder, so matter what the clinical expectation is. Some people suffer from some symptoms more than others.
I hope that helps!
- Shinji
(Part of my ongoing series of posts on Avoidant Personality Disorder.)
AvPD is focused on controlling anxiety, like an anxiety disorder.
It's self-reinforcing, like an anxiety disorder.
That’s what I wrote this other post about. But it’s more than just anxiety.
Because it also affects your life universally -- in practically every situation.
It affects your self-perception universally.
It prevents you from forming healthy relationships.
It affects your ability to feel your emotions.
And it’s rooted in shame.
A fear of being seen or known by others. You fear that happening because you feel inadequate, flawed, defective. Ashamed.
If someone sees who you really are, what you’re really like, and they mock or devalue or criticize you -- if they point out how flawed and messed up you are -- you’ll be thrown right into those feelings. It will (says the disorder) “become true.”
And experiencing that shame is so excruciating, you distance yourself from all your feelings in order to escape. (Feelings are an all-or-nothing deal.)
But as a result of being detached from your emotions, it’s hard for you to relate to people normally.
You feel like a fake, like you are just simulating what a Real Person™ should be doing in this situation. This is exhausting beyond words. Interacting doesn’t come naturally, because you don’t quite feel anything.
If you’re anything like me though, you are lowkey suffering 100% of the time.
You might feel like at any moment, you could explode and start screaming and never stop.
You want someone to notice, and care that you’re hurting and so so lonely, but you also want no one to pay attention to you ever because it is so agonizing to be seen.
And if you manage to get past that, you probably think your feelings are so unimportant, you shouldn’t bother anyone else with them. Trying to tell someone about what you’re experiencing just makes you want to cringe.
Or worse, it makes you want to slip into a terrifying blankness, with a vacant smile and deflection: “so how are you?”
This feels like dying. Which is not really so far from the truth.
But possibly the worst part is, you might not even be able to express what’s wrong. You just know: it hurts. You’re miserable. You want it to stop.
(Which doesn’t sound real or reasonable enough to tell to another person, for goodness’ sake. So you don’t.)
It means exerting all your energy to make yourself an un-person. To make yourself so passive, so still -- so inert -- almost invisible, like the clearest water: all an observer can see is a slight reflection of themself on the surface. Everything about you is neutralized.
And this is the opposite of what we are here to do. What we’re here to be.
We’re meant to be vivid, powerful people -- we are meant to be connected.
And that is how we can recover, to reconnect with ourselves. Believe in wholeness!
Every part of AvPD is just the most rational, sensible reaction to believing that you’re fundamentally flawed, and that connecting with others isn’t safe.
And (while people debate about whether or not you can “recover” from a personality disorder) I firmly believe that the things you’ve learned, can be un-learned.
This is where it starts!
It’s really strange to be putting this stuff out there.
Actually, it’s strange to be compiling everything in my head about Getting Better and packing it into good old-fashioned text posts -- but also really, to be putting it out where people can read it.
Like, poster child of AvPD... (well, recovering poster child...) pulls out a bunch of really, incredibly super vulnerable stuff and sticks it on the internet for all to see
It’s kind of terrifying but also liberating? Like, maybe this stuff isn’t Just Me? Like ... maybe it’s actually relevant for other people? Or at least thought-provoking enough to be worth reading, even if it doesn’t apply.
(Also, this is literally the most attention I’ve ever gotten in my 3.5 years of tumblr. squeaks and hides)
no idea if this is true, but it feels true
^NPR link.
Under the rules of the order, renters have to sign a declaration saying they don't make more than $99,000 a year — or twice that if filing a joint tax return — and that they have no other option if evicted other than homelessness or living with more people in close proximity.
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If you’re struggling, here’s some words from Angry Prayers for Furious Survivors
(Part of my ongoing series of posts on Avoidant Personality Disorder.)
AvPD disconnects you from others, from yourself, and from your feelings.
And that hurts. A lot.
It’s okay to try and fix it.
It’s okay to want to feel better.
And it’s okay to notice your feelings, even if they’re unpleasant.
When you feel judged on all sides, make a safe space for yourself. Find somewhere you can be totally alone and free of observation, like a private journal. Feel what it’s like to not have anyone looking over your shoulder -- maybe for the first time.
Explore your feelings. Get to know what you really think and want, when your opinion is the only one that matters.
When you can, be nice to yourself. Try giving yourself the benefit of the doubt.
Do things that feel good.
When you’re upset with yourself for messing up, consciously decide to look for things that you succeeded at instead. Make a list of wins.
Here’s how this relates to self-esteem.
When we describe what it feels like to have AvPD, it sounds like, “Everyone judges and hurts me.”
But people only have the power to decide how much we’re worth, because we aren’t taking charge of doing that ourselves.
When you reconnect with your feelings, create a judgment-free zone for yourself, and learn to treat yourself nicely, you’re giving value to yourself. You’re saying, “This matters. My feelings matter. I’m worth taking care of.”
Esteem means “favorable opinion or respect.” In the throes of AvPD, we survive on other people’s esteem for us -- it matters what they think, because that’s how we determine our self-worth. But when we shift to relying on self esteem, we can finally heal and begin to thrive.
When we give respect and value to ourselves, no one else can take it away.
And that’s why practicing self-care and self-kindness is so powerful and important.
(You can read more here, in the long version of this post.)
(Part of my ongoing series of posts on Avoidant Personality Disorder.)
AvPD isolates you from being truly connected, being part of the world.
It keeps you from creating trust-filled, satisfying relationships.
It also keeps you from connecting with yourself, like I wrote about in another post.
It keeps you from truly feeling -- and even sometimes recognizing -- your own emotions, your own wishes.
Avoiding our feelings and being detached from ourselves is not normal.
And just like the pain of a physical injury, this pain is a reaction that comes from seeking wholeness. It’s calling attention to a real problem.
It’s okay to try and fix the problem.
Even if it’s negative.
Yes! Even if it’s absolutely terrible.
Ignoring bad feelings is sometimes necessary for survival. And if it is for you right now, you probably already know it. That’s okay, and you can probably still do a lot of these things.
Remember: There’s no right or wrong way to heal.
A place where there isn’t anyone who will judge you or make fun of you -- a place just for you, like a private journal or sketchbook or blog. Even the best option will probably feel kind of uncomfortable, so don’t obsess over finding the perfect outlet for this!
Do whatever you can to make it feel safe and out of reach from everyone.
And then spend time there, regularly.
Once you get used to it, try noticing what it’s like to not have anybody looking over your shoulder.
Can you even imagine it? It’s a terrible contradiction that we spend so much time alone, but so little time feeling un-watched. Free of observers and judging eyes.
Within the protection of your solitude, try writing about your feelings. Or drawing or singing or collaging about them -- whatever works for you.
It doesn’t have to be pretty, and it’s okay if it doesn’t feel natural. It’s a skill, and you have to gain proficiency just like with any other skill. You'll get there; it doesn’t matter how slow or fast that happens.
As long as you’re trying, you’re making progress.
If you learn one tiny thing about yourself, or if you get a little more used to expressing yourself -- then it’s a success.
This is so, so hard, and it’s okay if you’re not ready to try.
But when you are, just try being kind to yourself. Try being gentle. Give yourself the benefit of the doubt once in a while.
And if you can’t do it, try not to hate yourself too much for failing. It’s OK -- if "official permission” existed, this would be it: You don’t have to punish yourself.
Just because they feel good. It’s OK to do that.
In particular, look for things that just sound like they would be nice, right about now. Something that you just ... feel like doing.
Even if it’s only a tiny thing, like making yourself a cup of tea, or taking a nice bath, or re-reading your favorite book.
Learn what it feels like to want something, and learn what it’s like to give yourself something good.
After doing anything, if you find yourself retracing your mistakes, blaming yourself, or feeling sick and anxious and guilty -- take a minute to redirect your thoughts.
Ask yourself: what went right? In what ways did I succeed?
It doesn’t matter if your brain is throwing lots of fails and embarrassment at you; that’s like a TV channel that never turns off. You don’t have to pay attention to it all the time. Just, when you have the energy to, deliberately focus on the good anyway.
The smallest success still counts: “Hey, I remembered what building my class is in! I was basically on time! I didn’t trip over anyone! I learned something!” Even if you have to name truly silly things for “wins,” start with those.
The point is giving yourself credit, instead of bringing yourself down.
And you might be surprised at how well things actually went -- when you start looking at how well they went, instead of how badly.
...in my opinion, and in my own experience. Because this is how you recover your self-esteem.
The simple way to see AvPD is that other people judge and hurt us.
But the more complex truth is that their judgment only has the power to affect us that much, because we’ve never claimed the right to judge for OURSELVES.
We never learned to like ourselves, or to be kind to ourselves. We never learned to take care of ourselves. To own who we are, as human beings. To decide OUR OWN value.
That takes some intense courage. But you don’t have to do it all at once.
Every single thing I listed here is about:
reclaiming your inner life for yourself,
finding your feelings and wishes again,
practicing taking care of your feelings.
Taking care of yourself means healing shame. It means giving yourself value.
We all need to be validated, listened to, cared for, and given positive value. We need dignity.
But when you can give those things to yourself in abundance, you don’t have to rely on other people’s scraps for your self-esteem.
And that’s how you get free. The fear will still be there. But it won’t control you.
shoutout to all of us adults with trauma figuring out how to navigate identifying the need for boundaries, setting boundaries, and trying to be assertive in doing so.